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how much does boehner speak for his conference, by the way? how much leeway does he have to cut a deal that might anger some conservatives? this weekend there were signs of softening among conservatives on the issue of taxes. here is "the weekly standard questions bill kristol sunday. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000, make it a million. the republican party is going to defend a bunch of millionaires, half who voted democratic and hatch live in hollywood. >> although tom price who is running to lead the house republican conference said sunday he is open to closing some tax loopholes, he did buck boehner on the issue of health care. >> question, do most house republicans, do you agree with speaker boehner that repeal of obama care with this election, with his re-election, is debt? >> we're not opposed to the president's health care law because of the election. we're opposed because it's bad policy and
how much does boehner speak for his conference, by the way? how much leeway does he have to cut a deal that might anger some conservatives? this weekend there were signs of softening among conservatives on the issue of taxes. here is "the weekly standard questions bill kristol sunday. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000, make it a million....
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. >> we made a lot, at least those of us in the media, made a lot last week of speaker boehner's references to an openness to increasing revenue to the government. whether this was an affirmative desire to do that as a result of a tax reform or sort of a secondary effect of reducing rates and creating more economic growth is a little bit unclear here, but how encouraged are you from the words that the speaker has been saying and that others on the gop side have been saying about an openness really to raising revenue as part of a bargain? >> well, the tone was right. i think that that is something that certainly should be being a flojed. because there is no question when you heard the language after the statement we want to -- we're willing to see new revenues, what speaker boehner said and what the republicans are saying is that in fact the revenues can only come from economic growth. now of course as democrats we also believe in economic growth, growing jobs but we also say that we do need some hard revenues in the short term if we're going to be serious about bringing down this deficit an
. >> we made a lot, at least those of us in the media, made a lot last week of speaker boehner's references to an openness to increasing revenue to the government. whether this was an affirmative desire to do that as a result of a tax reform or sort of a secondary effect of reducing rates and creating more economic growth is a little bit unclear here, but how encouraged are you from the words that the speaker has been saying and that others on the gop side have been saying about an...
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boehner are accurate, the dems are moving away from that. the president and the democrats seem to be moving away from that. why do you think that is, and is this important? >> let's assume for a second the president is right and we need $1.5 trillion of revenue. now, i think there's a better way to get there and a different way to get there. the president, you know, i think is open to some of these ideas. but if we're going to have $1.5 trillion worth of revenue, we need about $3.5 trillion worth of real spending cuts. that would come from defense. it would come from entitlement programs. it would come from the other mandatory programs. that's what makes the most sense to take it from because those are the areas that are really growing at an accelerated rate, faster than the rate of growth of health care. i think that's doable. i think we can find the votes to do that because i think the american people are way ahead of the politicians. they realize we got a real problem in this country and we got to fix it. >> what do you think, senator? i
boehner are accurate, the dems are moving away from that. the president and the democrats seem to be moving away from that. why do you think that is, and is this important? >> let's assume for a second the president is right and we need $1.5 trillion of revenue. now, i think there's a better way to get there and a different way to get there. the president, you know, i think is open to some of these ideas. but if we're going to have $1.5 trillion worth of revenue, we need about $3.5...
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the most interesting thing, though, from the boehner aide was that john boehner believes there is not enough time from now until the end of the year to actually have a grand bargain. there's enough time, though, to put together the framework for what a grand bargain would look like. essentially have the top lines agreed to that by sometime in 2013 you could have both the chambers, the senate and the house, come together on some substantial tax reform, entitlement reform, and get rid of the sort of automatic cuts that we see as a sequester, and the tax increases and have a mechanism you can replace them with. listen to the congressional leaders in their photo op in the white house before thanksgiving that they had today. >> we've put revenue on the table, as long as it's accompanied by significant spending cuts. >> we have a cornerstones of being able to work something out. we're both going to have to give up some of the things that we know are a problem. >> we should have a goal in terms of how much deficit reduction. we should have a deadline before christmas. >> we fully understand
the most interesting thing, though, from the boehner aide was that john boehner believes there is not enough time from now until the end of the year to actually have a grand bargain. there's enough time, though, to put together the framework for what a grand bargain would look like. essentially have the top lines agreed to that by sometime in 2013 you could have both the chambers, the senate and the house, come together on some substantial tax reform, entitlement reform, and get rid of the sort...
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speaker boehner has said this. let's change the tax code. let's do something much broader base, lower those rates. a lot of folks are going to pay substantially more taxes because their special tax deductions will go away but we'll have a growth oriented tax system. >> congressman, i couldn't agree with you more, because we know the federal government spends $10 billion a day. the buffett rule, whatever you want to call it, maybe a week to two weeks of operating income for the government. i get that point. where will the other money come from? can you be specific? >> well, here's the reality. if you and i were to look at a chart and outside political rhetoric -- just put on our green eye shades and just be mathematicians. the problem is in the promises we made in entitlements, there's no money to pay for them. the medicare trust fund may only have a few years left and it's gone! because the incredible rate we're spending. if we do not hear the president talk about entitlements in that case he's just continuing his campaign of misinformation.
speaker boehner has said this. let's change the tax code. let's do something much broader base, lower those rates. a lot of folks are going to pay substantially more taxes because their special tax deductions will go away but we'll have a growth oriented tax system. >> congressman, i couldn't agree with you more, because we know the federal government spends $10 billion a day. the buffett rule, whatever you want to call it, maybe a week to two weeks of operating income for the government....
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you ask yourself, what's it worth when boehner, pelosi, mcconnell, and reed all start talking nice to each other? it's worth 120 points on the dow. we're not far from the highs of the day. some hope we can get a modest rally. the vix has really collapsed going into the close. we're near the lows for the week on the vix. some of those closed end funds like pimco, high yield, phk also doing a little better today. finally, i'm going to mention home builders also a doing better on the day. back to you. >> okay. thank you very much, bob. well, thanksgiving is less than a week away, and the trend is growing for stores like walmart to be open for business that day. shoppers seem to love it, but workers, for obvious reasons, do not. >> yeah, some walmart workers are now pledging to walk out if they are forced to work on that holiday. walmart has already said they plan to open at 8:00 p.m. on thanksgiving. joining us now, a husband and wife, greg and charr lean fletcher, both employees of walmart. both scheduled to work different shifts on thanksgiving day. we welcome you. greg, you have said
you ask yourself, what's it worth when boehner, pelosi, mcconnell, and reed all start talking nice to each other? it's worth 120 points on the dow. we're not far from the highs of the day. some hope we can get a modest rally. the vix has really collapsed going into the close. we're near the lows for the week on the vix. some of those closed end funds like pimco, high yield, phk also doing a little better today. finally, i'm going to mention home builders also a doing better on the day. back to...
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boehner has been ee re-elec. what about mitch mcconnell. he sounds as object strucktive as he has over the last four years. what's going to happen to him? >> i went to his photo op yesterday where he unveiled new members of the republican freshman class. they could have had that in a broom closet because there were only three of them and they were sitting there nodding their heads and grinning for the cameras. is he going to play the bad cop here. i mean, boehner at some point is going to be in a position of actually having to lead. mcconnell can still be, because he's in the minority, can still be -- well, he can't make it his top priority to defeat obama but he can make it a top priority to defeat all of obama's policies. >> wouldn't it be great if they actually worked together? >> it's important to keep in mind john boehner is an old school guy willing to cut deals and be reasonable and compromise. now, the question is whether or not with eric cantor and the rest of the leadership kind of eyeing him how far he'll be able to go. but boehn
boehner has been ee re-elec. what about mitch mcconnell. he sounds as object strucktive as he has over the last four years. what's going to happen to him? >> i went to his photo op yesterday where he unveiled new members of the republican freshman class. they could have had that in a broom closet because there were only three of them and they were sitting there nodding their heads and grinning for the cameras. is he going to play the bad cop here. i mean, boehner at some point is going to...
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. >> the powerful olive branch that speaker boehner issued this week, where he said to the president, we want you to lead, for the republicaneader to say we are willing to follow to a certain extent, he puts limitations on it, there's no question on it but for him to say that you're going to go into the house of representatives -- >> you think, bob, part of what you see and see with john boehner, he will say one thing vand to reverse course the very next day, and that is the challenge chuck was speaking to >> "the new york times" story points out and some people i have talked to i think he is getting more control and more have talked to i think he is getting mothis country was built by working people. the economy needs manufacturing. machines, tools, people making stuff. companies have to invest in making things. infrastructure, construction, production. we need it now more than ever. chevron's putting more than $8 billion dollars back in the u.s. economy this year. in pipes, cement, steel, jobs, energy. we need to get the wheels turning. i'm proud of that. making real things... for r
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thank you. >> so now that we have accepted even in boehner land that obama care is the law of the land, do you think that this will make the american health care system better? >> absolutely. i think that we are entering a period of time where we can get down to the very hard work that needs to be done to improve the health care of nation. and now that we are past the election and all sides agree that the affordable care act is the law of the land it gives the patients in the country, this country a much greater deal of certainty and security that our health care system is going to be there for them if they need it. >> well, arkoosh i think in addition to the fact we live in a nation where we're taxed for merely existing, there are still some people who aren't decided about obama care. in fact, politico had exit polling after the election showing the country's split down the middle on whether obama care should be repealed, partially or interly or kept. "forbes" has an article out called "five ways to protect yourself against obamacare." a concern is a doctor participate in a mass exodu
thank you. >> so now that we have accepted even in boehner land that obama care is the law of the land, do you think that this will make the american health care system better? >> absolutely. i think that we are entering a period of time where we can get down to the very hard work that needs to be done to improve the health care of nation. and now that we are past the election and all sides agree that the affordable care act is the law of the land it gives the patients in the...
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what is boehner's intel here? >> because john boehner is smart enough to know he needs to keep paul ryan as close to him as possible. remember, you have paul ryan is part of the young guns. so they caused a little mischief the last time we tried this. this is less about having faith in paul ryan's actual ideas and more about politics. and sort of keeping his close, keeping him engaged, busy doing something so he's not out there making mischief. >> rana, it seems maybe that conservatives are coming to grips with the notion that there may be a tax increase on upper income earners e. i point you to bill crystal saying the unspeakable. let's take a listen. >> there will be a deal by december 31st. i believe republicans will yield on top rates. president obama ran twice and won two elections. he didn't raise rates in 2009. we were in the midst of horrible downturn. they were able to bargain to a deal. i don't think republicans have the lemplg or that it's worth using whatever leverage they have to maintain rates at 35%
what is boehner's intel here? >> because john boehner is smart enough to know he needs to keep paul ryan as close to him as possible. remember, you have paul ryan is part of the young guns. so they caused a little mischief the last time we tried this. this is less about having faith in paul ryan's actual ideas and more about politics. and sort of keeping his close, keeping him engaged, busy doing something so he's not out there making mischief. >> rana, it seems maybe that...
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boehner and mcconnell still in charge. although they did better and you could argue there's no reason. are you surprised there's not a push to change leaders inside your party even if it's just the face of the party a little bit? >> it's difficult. within the house there is -- i think there will be a battle for the conference chair. >> but it's a -- >> i'm surprised, yeah, but at the same time, we need strong leadership and a strong speaker and i think boehner can do a good job -- >> looks like he's going to get more political leeway. he doesn't have eric cantor. it seems like there's for trust between the two but, jackie, if the american people had known they not only were re-electing status quo but the same people are in the room that gave us the gridlock, i wonder how that ballot would have turned out. >> i wonder if he said it's going to be the same people in the room, and, you know, a lot of this is going to be theater. we were talking about that for the first couple of days, hopefully not weeks but there will be a lo
boehner and mcconnell still in charge. although they did better and you could argue there's no reason. are you surprised there's not a push to change leaders inside your party even if it's just the face of the party a little bit? >> it's difficult. within the house there is -- i think there will be a battle for the conference chair. >> but it's a -- >> i'm surprised, yeah, but at the same time, we need strong leadership and a strong speaker and i think boehner can do a good...
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the speaker boehner, mr. president, let's get some stuff going here, but how much of the responsibility lies with him? with speaker boehner, do you think? >> people want cooperation on both sides. the issue at hand will be the fiscal cliff and our budgetary situation. the president's put a proposal forward. it's incumbent on the speaker to say, what they would be willing to do and not simply say, it's not our responsibility. i think people expect everyone to live up to their responsibilities. and one thing that is clear as i moved around the country with the president is that they're hungry for that kind of cooperation. i hope that coming out of this election people will come with a renewed sense of cooperation. because it will take that to solve problems. let me just say one other thing, though, you mentioned that not much has changed. actually what is interesting is you have these super pacs spending literally billions of dollars to defeat the president and to defeat democrats running for congress. well, th
the speaker boehner, mr. president, let's get some stuff going here, but how much of the responsibility lies with him? with speaker boehner, do you think? >> people want cooperation on both sides. the issue at hand will be the fiscal cliff and our budgetary situation. the president's put a proposal forward. it's incumbent on the speaker to say, what they would be willing to do and not simply say, it's not our responsibility. i think people expect everyone to live up to their...
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the president didn't offer any specific thing along the lines what have we heard from john boehner last week, okay, we're there on reven on the table, we'll meet you there. i didn't hear any specific -- >> don't we already have a structure? wasn't that erskine-bowles? it is another committee. >> it is a step back i think from the idea of a deal right now that would trade entitlement reform for tax increases. it sounds to me like it's tax increases for the wealthy in return for a commitment to discuss entitlement reform. >> what you did hear from the president is a statement that the american people knew what they were get what they re-elected me. he also said there is a big contrast between me and mitt romney on the campaign trail and i'm the guy who won the election. >> as one of our smart viewers tweeted in which i thought was so smart -- it's all fun and games until you have to name specific entitlements you want to cut. right? we need more specifics from both sides. all right, going to a break here but after the break, steve leisman, stick around. we also have something today called
the president didn't offer any specific thing along the lines what have we heard from john boehner last week, okay, we're there on reven on the table, we'll meet you there. i didn't hear any specific -- >> don't we already have a structure? wasn't that erskine-bowles? it is another committee. >> it is a step back i think from the idea of a deal right now that would trade entitlement reform for tax increases. it sounds to me like it's tax increases for the wealthy in return for a...
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john boehner, mitch mcconnell saying they want the bush tax cuts for everyone. joe, will they have to bend on that? isn't that really the issue? will they bend on the republican side? >> the republicans are going to have to bend. we have to get this done. we've only got 46 days before the -- before we would fall off this fiscal cliff and to fall off the cliff would mean 3.9% hit for gdp next year. we can't afford that because that would potentially throw us into another recession. we want to avoid that at all costs. the big issue i think for most people would be taxes. most people -- and governor rendell said, well, it's not just a matter of tax increases on the wealthiest americans but it's a host of spending challenges that we face across the board that would impact millions of people and certainly impact us in a huge way. i think republicans have to bend. republicans are going to be looking at of course cuts in spending and cuts in entitlements as well as the possibility of new revenue and i think they're very open to this. i think some republicans will push
john boehner, mitch mcconnell saying they want the bush tax cuts for everyone. joe, will they have to bend on that? isn't that really the issue? will they bend on the republican side? >> the republicans are going to have to bend. we have to get this done. we've only got 46 days before the -- before we would fall off this fiscal cliff and to fall off the cliff would mean 3.9% hit for gdp next year. we can't afford that because that would potentially throw us into another recession. we want...
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when you see boehner calling the caucus and say, hey, let's aavoid the nasty showdowns. that's saying let's not be hostage takers. you see obama learning how to deal with the caucus. let's extend the middle class tax cuts, right now, let's do it. he puts them in a bad position and making it look like, look, middle class, they are not giving you what you need. so learning how to work with them, learning that we have to have some compromise, i see some tea leaves that we may have a better next couple of years. we'll see. >> it will be interesting, if a deal is struck. i don't think it will nearly as good as for republicans as the deal that the president offered them. the grand deal that had been offered before. you know, in some ways i actually think the problem for republicans and for conservatives is that a lot of their ideas and principles have actually won. you know, since ronald reagan we no longer have 70% tax rates on the highest income earners. nobody is arguing for that. we're arguing to go back to 39.6%. on health care reform, the president's health care reform w
when you see boehner calling the caucus and say, hey, let's aavoid the nasty showdowns. that's saying let's not be hostage takers. you see obama learning how to deal with the caucus. let's extend the middle class tax cuts, right now, let's do it. he puts them in a bad position and making it look like, look, middle class, they are not giving you what you need. so learning how to work with them, learning that we have to have some compromise, i see some tea leaves that we may have a better next...
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we also reported that john boehner gave a speech to congress, but it wasn't john boehner. it was just a pair of goggles. and they didn't give a speech. someone just put them on. again, that was an error on our part. and finally, two weeks ago, we reported that mitt romney won the presidential election. it wasn't mitt romney. it was someone else. we apologize. those are tonight's retractions. moving on to other news -- oh, folks, this is big. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] and finally, hillary clinton is stepping down from her position as secretary of state. while we don't know how this will affect her potential 2016 presidential bid, we do know that this is what she would look like if her face were turned upside down. >> i think the president has done an excellent job under the most difficult circumstances. [ laughs ] ♪ >> jimmy: that was night news now. stick around, we'll be right back with zooey deschanel. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ woooah, what do you got there? berry pomegranate mio. berry pomegranate what? berry pomegranate mio. do i just squirt a little? or
we also reported that john boehner gave a speech to congress, but it wasn't john boehner. it was just a pair of goggles. and they didn't give a speech. someone just put them on. again, that was an error on our part. and finally, two weeks ago, we reported that mitt romney won the presidential election. it wasn't mitt romney. it was someone else. we apologize. those are tonight's retractions. moving on to other news -- oh, folks, this is big. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] and finally,...
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can boehner get there if that's the case? >> if you look at eliminations of deductions, exemptions, credits, it doesn't get to you where we need to comply with the budget control act so the fact that we are examining an opportunity to perhaps look at either on higher income earners, whether it's $1 million or higher as opposed to marrying ourselves to 250 is a step in the right direction. i think the fact that there is discussion on this front initiated by the speaker and behind closed doors we'll get in detail. for the first time we're close and why throw away the opportunity. >> can i just mention how many jokes joe would have made about being behind closeds doors and consummating and that whole thing and that's why joe needs to be on the show and he's not. i'm doing a poor job that he would have made seven or eight jokes would have been made. let me just ask jared, the 39.6 in my mind seems like it is a bottom line, a starting point an an end point for the president. can you envision a deal being done on the fiscal cliff t
can boehner get there if that's the case? >> if you look at eliminations of deductions, exemptions, credits, it doesn't get to you where we need to comply with the budget control act so the fact that we are examining an opportunity to perhaps look at either on higher income earners, whether it's $1 million or higher as opposed to marrying ourselves to 250 is a step in the right direction. i think the fact that there is discussion on this front initiated by the speaker and behind closed...
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>> speaker john boehner on friday, appeared to give a little ground, suggesting that limits on tax deductions could be part of a deal, something that senior obama adviser, david axelrod, said was a step in the right direction. >> i think the speaker's comments have been encouraging. and obviously, there's money to be gained by closing some of these loopholes and applying them to deficit reduction. so, i think there's a lot of ways to skin this cat, so long as everybody comes with a positive, constructive attitude toward the task. >> axelrod also pointed out that exit polling from the election showed 60% of the american agreed with raising taxes on the highest earners. >>> there's a renewed focus on immigration policy, following a presidential election that saw a growing divide between republicans and the hispanic community. now, two senators on opposite sides of the aisle says they're confident they can push through reform. chuck schumer and lindsey graham are revisiting a plan they proposed together back in 2010. >> i think we have a darn good chance, using this blueprint, to get something d
>> speaker john boehner on friday, appeared to give a little ground, suggesting that limits on tax deductions could be part of a deal, something that senior obama adviser, david axelrod, said was a step in the right direction. >> i think the speaker's comments have been encouraging. and obviously, there's money to be gained by closing some of these loopholes and applying them to deficit reduction. so, i think there's a lot of ways to skin this cat, so long as everybody comes with a...
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. >> is that the big onus on john boehner? >> i think it is the onus on all of the negotiators. it's all of them at this point. because that's where the spotlight is. yeah. it's going to be quite a task. we saw that when this happened the last time. it's going to come right up to the line. i think we might be here late december. >> the drama will take us through the end of the year. our power panel, jackie kucinich, blake, robert, thanks to all three of you. >>> up next i'll talk with someone who was in this morning's closed door hearing with general petraeus, republican congressman tom rooney will join the show. what do you think about today's testimony? tweet me your comments at thomas a. roberts. we're back after this. [ male announcer ] when was the last time something made your jaw drop? campbell's has 24 new soups that will make it drop over, and over again. ♪ from jammin' jerk chicken, to creamy gouda bisque. see what's new from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. and you learned something along the way. this is the age of knowing what you're made of. so, why let
. >> is that the big onus on john boehner? >> i think it is the onus on all of the negotiators. it's all of them at this point. because that's where the spotlight is. yeah. it's going to be quite a task. we saw that when this happened the last time. it's going to come right up to the line. i think we might be here late december. >> the drama will take us through the end of the year. our power panel, jackie kucinich, blake, robert, thanks to all three of you. >>> up...
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president obama and john boehner almost got a deal in 2011. that's a place to pick up the discussions and i think you saw the president econfident there just winning the election there and house republicans back in the majority in the house and that's the dance to the finish line and i think they will. >> politico talked about whether or not the white house has learned its lesson in going into a room, a bunker, with the speaker, since it didn't work out the way they wanted last time around. do you think the president will be as involved or can he hand this off to someone else to negotiate? >> i think he'll be as involved. i think he'll be involved inside the room and outside of the room. the strategic turn the president made in fall of 2011 after the failure of the talks, he took the case to the public. i don't think he'll stop doing that. he'll try to keep the pressure on say i got mandate to raise taxes for people at the top. if you are willing to accept that, we'll get a deal. >> there code words you'll look for afterwards to see whether or
president obama and john boehner almost got a deal in 2011. that's a place to pick up the discussions and i think you saw the president econfident there just winning the election there and house republicans back in the majority in the house and that's the dance to the finish line and i think they will. >> politico talked about whether or not the white house has learned its lesson in going into a room, a bunker, with the speaker, since it didn't work out the way they wanted last time...
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i missed some of the comments that john boehner made. let me give you a quick summary of the highlights here, and let's call them highlights because finally kumbaya. hope it lasts. the senate majority leader harry reid suggested both of us, we're both going to have to give up what we want and call this the cornerstone of working something out. that sounds good. then nancy pelosi, the house minority leader, saying that this has to be about cuts. this has to be about revenue. this has to be about growth and that she is confident a solution is in sight. sounds good, too. and then the house minority leader or rather the minority leader mitch mcconnell also suggesting that this was a constructive meeting and that we are prepared to put revenue on the table. they just emerged from the meeting. looked like they were going right back in. maybe they were going to have lunch. i don't know. they sure deserve it if they're able to come to rhetoric like that any any case. take to you break for a moment and hopefully i can scramble up wolf blitzer. gi
i missed some of the comments that john boehner made. let me give you a quick summary of the highlights here, and let's call them highlights because finally kumbaya. hope it lasts. the senate majority leader harry reid suggested both of us, we're both going to have to give up what we want and call this the cornerstone of working something out. that sounds good. then nancy pelosi, the house minority leader, saying that this has to be about cuts. this has to be about revenue. this has to be about...
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i think you heard john boehner say that already. we've had votes in the senate where we've actually gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. and i think the vast majority of americans agree with that. the question is how do you do that and how do you allow taxes to rise at the same time you fix the real problem? and the real problem is uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. not just under this administration, under republican administration. >> let me turn to senator schumer on this point. >> so you have to approach both sides of it. >> let me turn to senator schumer. i'm going to ask you the same question. if the mandate is compromised, what do democrats have to be prepared to accept as a painful outcome in order to achieve compromise? >> well, i agree with you, the mandate is compromise. that's why we have a divided house and senate. and i think if the house stands for anything it's cut government spending, as tom coburn said, and i think we're going to have to do more of it. we hear
i think you heard john boehner say that already. we've had votes in the senate where we've actually gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. and i think the vast majority of americans agree with that. the question is how do you do that and how do you allow taxes to rise at the same time you fix the real problem? and the real problem is uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. not just under this administration, under republican administration....
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also, president obama and house speaker boehner both laying out their demands for a fiscal cliff deal. now we have both sides on the record. two top negotiators explain why side has the better cards to play right now and what their starting points say about the odds of getting a deal done. that should be interesting coming up. >>> and then did you see this video of israel killing the top military commander of hamas? now they may be open warfare in that region. oil prices are spiking on this developing story. we'll take you live to the story. stay with us. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. when we got married. i had three kids. and she became the full time mother of three. it was soccer, and ballet, and cheerleading, and baseball. those years were crazy. so, as we go into this next phase, you know, a bi
also, president obama and house speaker boehner both laying out their demands for a fiscal cliff deal. now we have both sides on the record. two top negotiators explain why side has the better cards to play right now and what their starting points say about the odds of getting a deal done. that should be interesting coming up. >>> and then did you see this video of israel killing the top military commander of hamas? now they may be open warfare in that region. oil prices are spiking on...
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>> i almost fell out of my chair when boehner said revenues. the idea of increasing revenues. that's a central argument that we have been having over the last four years, and the very expensive i told you so i guess. if we're going to get to this problem, we have to deal with revenues, we can't just do it all on the spending side. >> jonathan capehart, there is bill kristol teaching republicans how to talk about this. but it does involve a word for word refutation of what they said in the past, that higher rates will kill the economy. there is bill kristol pointing out how we've done perfectly fine under higher rates in the past. >> what he's trying to get through to republicans, particularly the new class that came in in 2010, okay, you campaigned on all of these promises, but now it's time to govern and things have come to a standstill in washington over the last two years, and now with the fiscal cliff or fiscal curve coming, and the president being re-elected with more than 50% of the vote, it's time to make a deal. and everyone knows that in order -- that the real deal th
>> i almost fell out of my chair when boehner said revenues. the idea of increasing revenues. that's a central argument that we have been having over the last four years, and the very expensive i told you so i guess. if we're going to get to this problem, we have to deal with revenues, we can't just do it all on the spending side. >> jonathan capehart, there is bill kristol teaching republicans how to talk about this. but it does involve a word for word refutation of what they said...
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the question is, this is -- i think a lot of it is on john boehner and mitch mcconnell. can they say to the base of the party, we need to make this deal. it is good for us politically. it is good for the country policy wise, and we need to move on, or do the grovers of the world win out? >> david, thank you very much. chris cillizza. coming up, more fallout from the david petraeus situation. we'll talking to david ignatius. hey sis, it's so great to see you. you, too! oh, cloudy glasses. you didn't have to come over! actually, honey, i think i did... oh? you did? whoa, ladies, easy. hi. cascade kitchen counselor. we can help avoid this with cascade complete pacs. over time, the other premium pac can leave cloudy, hard water deposits, but cascade complete pacs help leave glasses sparkling. shiny! too bad it doesn't work on windows. okay, i'm outta here. more dishwasher brands in north america recommend cascade. in north america is bigger than we think ... sometimelike the flu.fer from with aches, fever and chills- the flu's a really big deal. so why treat it like it's a l
the question is, this is -- i think a lot of it is on john boehner and mitch mcconnell. can they say to the base of the party, we need to make this deal. it is good for us politically. it is good for the country policy wise, and we need to move on, or do the grovers of the world win out? >> david, thank you very much. chris cillizza. coming up, more fallout from the david petraeus situation. we'll talking to david ignatius. hey sis, it's so great to see you. you, too! oh, cloudy glasses....
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speaker boehner, senator minority leader mitch mcconnell, paul ryan. all of them saying they will fight the president on taxes. all of them saying the president doesn't have a mandate. but president obama has something to say about that. >> i have one mandate. i have a mandate to help middle class families and families that are working hard to try to get into the middle class. that's my mandate. >> this is a clear message. it's what americans voted for a week ago. are you sure you want this fight, republicans? democrat from pennsylvania chuck fatah and ezra klein, msnbc policy analyst. he's writing about the fight over taxes today and the piece is called "the big question: how, not whether, to raise taxes." thank you for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> good to be here. >> congressman, do you think republicans will make a deal or is this 2010 with the tea party all over again? >> well, what the public needs to understand is the income tax system is not fair to them. there is a report done by the congress each year by the joint committee on taxation
speaker boehner, senator minority leader mitch mcconnell, paul ryan. all of them saying they will fight the president on taxes. all of them saying the president doesn't have a mandate. but president obama has something to say about that. >> i have one mandate. i have a mandate to help middle class families and families that are working hard to try to get into the middle class. that's my mandate. >> this is a clear message. it's what americans voted for a week ago. are you sure you...
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i just think about the prospect of john boehner and nancy pelosi working together. i think about you sitting down with vice president biden and president obama and john boehner and talking about what's possible. what do you expect about the republican world view and goals to change because of this election? >> well, the president was very clear in the campaign. on where he stood. there was no ambiguity about where he was on many of the issues. and so his election, i think, strengthens our hand at the table. but the public still has to continue to be engaged. public sentiment is everything. and in the past, for example, the republicans in the house were the odd people out on the -- on some of the tax bill. one of the tax -- you know, deduction. and then also on the transportation bill. and so when the president went public on those, then they finally came around. but they're not going to come around just by persuasion sitting across the table, i do not believe. >> they are not going to come around just by persuasion in washington. nancy pelosi essentially calling for
i just think about the prospect of john boehner and nancy pelosi working together. i think about you sitting down with vice president biden and president obama and john boehner and talking about what's possible. what do you expect about the republican world view and goals to change because of this election? >> well, the president was very clear in the campaign. on where he stood. there was no ambiguity about where he was on many of the issues. and so his election, i think, strengthens our...
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this was the secret negotiation between barack obama and john boehner last year. we don't know all of the pieces that were in it. they offered 8$800 billion in revenue and then on the spending cut side they offered $450 billion in cuts to medicare and medication and changes to the way social security benefits are calculated. a lot of things on the table here. big things both tax increases and spending decreases. it's going to take some combination of those to get to a deal here and it's sort of where they go on this menu of options that's going to lead to whether or not they have votes to do it on capitol hill. >> there's a detail there. cut through it for me if you will. a lot of people around seem to suggest that they're going to get this thing tied up really quite quickly. my concern is that obama is beginning to grandstand. if you look at who he's meeting with, it looks like he might be preparing for a huge fight for his legacy, which actually might push us further back than a lot of people have bargained for. >> what you'll see with obama meeting with progres
this was the secret negotiation between barack obama and john boehner last year. we don't know all of the pieces that were in it. they offered 8$800 billion in revenue and then on the spending cut side they offered $450 billion in cuts to medicare and medication and changes to the way social security benefits are calculated. a lot of things on the table here. big things both tax increases and spending decreases. it's going to take some combination of those to get to a deal here and it's sort of...
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. >> twice where we were with boehner. but might be the beginning of bargain point. but you get 820 billion. so there's another 800 billion. at this point, the others are saying no cuts to medicare, social security, or anything else. and they have to find another 800 billion. >> the president did not say -- >> we know he has to cut some of those. >> my guess is the gop is saying they're looking at a trillion dollars as the number. >> and you saw what paul ryan said. the house was re-elected. so people re-elected those people in the house for a reason. it's a nonstarter. it's not going to happen. it's not going to be 1.6 billion. 1.6 trillion. to get to four trillion, that would be 2.4. so we said that. he'll go not 3-1 like simpson bowles. he's go one and a half to one. >> that's not going to happen either. >> but what bothers me -- >> the problem is nothing is going to happen. >> what bothers me is i do think you can get to a point where you raise taxes too much and you don't cut spending enough, where you're just funding entitlements by raising taxes and you don't
. >> twice where we were with boehner. but might be the beginning of bargain point. but you get 820 billion. so there's another 800 billion. at this point, the others are saying no cuts to medicare, social security, or anything else. and they have to find another 800 billion. >> the president did not say -- >> we know he has to cut some of those. >> my guess is the gop is saying they're looking at a trillion dollars as the number. >> and you saw what paul ryan...